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I am working a Firm Fixed Price buy for a sole source item that has been determined commercial of a type. Because of obsolescence the part has to be redesigned (last bought in the 90's). The redesign effort involves NRE costs that are beyond the actual production costs and the contractor is only providing hours and a burdened rate for each labor category to support this NRE. I have backed into the numbers the best I can but my counter offer is less than half of the proposed price for NRE. The NRE total is for $850,000. Without more data I am at a loss. The contractor keeps claiming because this is a commercial buy they won't support their price with more data. Do I have any options to persuade them on the front end? What if I end up negotiating a price I am uncomfortable with to ensure supportability to our customer. Is there something I can do Post Award to validate the price or uncover their true cost so we can use that data on similar buys our office is working.
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Does Competition Exist if there is a single manufacturer of a product; but you receive quotes for the product from two or more distributors? I have gotten into some heated arguments about this issue. I don't consider buying from multiple distributors a competitive purchase since there is only a single manufacturer. I would appreciate hearing your view.
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Good afternoon, Does anyone have a reference to the COFC case that determined that prior actual costs incurred on prior buys are required under TINA? I know it exists but I can not find it. I currently have a Major defense contractor refusing to submit actuals on extremely large procurement and I would like to send them the case. V/r Jake
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Good morning and happy holidays WIFCON! I’ve been reading these forums/blogs since I started in Federal contracting as a Copper Cap (just over two years now) and have gained a ton of valuable knowledge and viewpoints, this really is an amazing resource for contracting knowledge. Over the past year I’ve started working large dollar service contracts and have found myself in a position where I’ve had to develop IDIQ pricing tables for RFPs twice now. I’ve gone through the CPRG and found it useful but not in the way I’m looking for, it's more what to do what the numbers once you have them than what to do before you get them. I very much enjoy this type of work and it seems like there’s a lack of know-how around me in this area. I’d like to think I’m pretty good with excel, I can use tables/pivot tables/named ranges/advanced formulas and code in VBA to an extent. It was simple when all I had to do was make a spreadsheet for supplies, but with all the variables from services and IDIQ type contracts it’s getting more challenging (and fun). Bottom line: I’d like to know what techniques/courses/resources/templates/books etc anyone would recommend for learning more about things such as developing pricing tables and proposal modeling. I'd also like to know what your opinion is on using MS Access for this type of work. Thank you all for your contributions to this site and all the knowledge you’ve already passed on to me!
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The Contract requires to "Quote a price per hour for providing additional services when ordered that are in addition to the services specified herein for the basic services." Should they be the same as a price per an hour for basic services or should they include an overtime?
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Newish CO here. I am pre-award with an IDIQ that will have a BOM for a bunch of contractor-provisioned IT COTS hardware (maybe 100 different items, up to $80K unit price). These IT materials are from a dynamic market. Prices, models, features all change quickly. I am being asked by management to get 5-year pricing at the unit level for everything, and incorporate that pricing into the IDIQ. To me, this is a bad idea and a waste of time. My question to you all is - am I right in my assessment? Am I missing something? I see nothing in FAR 16.5 requiring any pricing of any type at the IDIQ level. Pricing and price analysis occurs at the order level. I understand that ceiling unit prices can be established by the IDIQ and found fair and reasonable, so that orders with unit prices at or below those levels are also fair and reasonable automatically, and this greatly speeds up the procurement process. However, this is predicated upon the assumption that the unit prices and things being priced will be stable over time. For example, carpenters and database administrators exist now and are reasonably likely to exist five years from now, and their hourly rates aren't going to change very much between now and then. This is not the case with IT hardware. Basically everything on the IDIQ's BOM has a lifecycle of less than 5 years and prices will change quickly, and by a lot. Also, new stuff comes onto market all the time. So why bother with IDIQ level pricing, you are going to have to do the price analysis per order anyways? If you know now, before award, that the IDIQ unit pricing will be obsolete and therefore can't be used for price analysis in the future, why bother having it? I know I will not win this battle with management, so this is for my personnel edification.
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I have an Non-Appropriated Purchasing Agreement (NPA) for Title II Services with the following Period of Performance: Option Year 2: 20 July 2015 through 19 July 2016 Option Year 3: 20 July 2016 through 19 July 2017 There will be a delivery order awarded against the NPA within the next few weeks, so we will be using the option year 2 pricing. The contractor is trying to incorporated "escalation pricing" in his proposal so when the option is exercised on the NPA (next month), the pricing for the order will "automatically" go into affect the same day. The period of performance on the order for Title II Services will be 365 days. The NAFI has already informed the contractor that the order will only incorporate Option Year 2 pricing for the entire duration of the 356 days and will not be changed unless there is a change to the current period of performance (ie. an extension to the order extending it past the 365 days). The contractor is arguing that other delivery orders were issued using this escalated pricing method with other agencies. Is there a statue stating an order placed against an NPA or IDIQ will need to maintain the current base or option year pricing throughout the life of the order?
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Just stopping by to share an interesting read (via Politico) regarding the current pricing environment in the Department of Defense. Enjoy and looking forward to the discussion! http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/defense-pentagon-spending-assad-221776
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Is there such a thing?! We are a small business subcontractor responding to an RFP with a large business prime. We previously provided a T&M proposal, as requested. We just received a revised RFP to now price TIME & MATERIAL / Incentive Fee labor rates, which requests a T&M rate with a base fee and another T&M rate to include an incentive fee. I have never heard of this contract type. Has anyone ever encountered this? Is there information out there? My google searches have not returned any results. Thank you for your time!
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Below is a scenario- just soliciting opinions here. Question: You have a prime IDIQ contract to Company XYZ. (T&M). (Established LCATs and Pricing) They have a Task Order doing some services scope of work They have a need to onboard small businesses to meet their subcontracting goal over the next 24 months. You want to add a small business. Their rates for all LCATs are BELOW your contract pricing. Can you claim their prices are fair and reasonable since they are below the competed contract LCAT price levels?
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I am competing a requirement amongst GSA IT Schedul 70 contract holders. The requirement is combination of Firm Fixed Price and Labor Hour. In discussions with one of the other Contracting Officers here, he mentioned to me that I would be required to get subcontractor proposals in order to determine the reasonableness of the Prime Vendor's rates (i.e. determining the prime's profit, etc.). This is not something that I have done before, nor in my time working in private industry have I submitted subcontractor proposals with my GSA quote. I would consider doing this if it were a sole source award, but with competition I dont think I need to do this. Especially, if we are not evaluating the labor categories against actual individuals. Am I wrong here?
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Invoicing CP Subcontract - CPIF task order. Standard process used to build cost plus rate (1 salaried individual, 1 hourly individual on contract) cost base calculated for both types of individuals. (salary, calculated to hourly rate based on 2080 hours for the year) or (hourly rate accordingly), OH&G&A applied (accordingly)= resultant rate, This build up was provided at bid in sanitized version to prime and un-sanitized version to govt. (approved and awarded) Client invoiced for number of hours X Resultant rate.. in a standard month, (160 hours), Salaried individual works 120 hours, hourly works 160 hours. Client returns to question why the salaried individuals rate did not fluctuate based on the number of hours worked…. (this is where I need help) I understand the concept of Uncompensated over time causing the cost base to fluctuate if a salaried person works more hours than a standard week / month. However, we do not have uncompensated over time, so I have no trouble making this calculation / adjustment.(this is not the issue) But what happens when a salaried individual works “less” than a full month? Client requesting to see rate fluctuation, but based on cost build up, if I fluctuate the “cost” (which by this situation would go up, not down) would that not be double dipping, if I’m building my cost with “salaried down time” calculated into my OH already? Why would my cost change, if I’m only invoicing for the number of hours worked at the resultant rate? Invoicing requirements stated in the contract: Subcontract number & TTO number Total Straight Time labor charges by person – hours, labor category , rate per hour, and extended amounts or Fixed unit price and quantity delivered Material costs (if any) Travel and per-diem costs (if any) itemized by TTO Other costs incurred (if any) allowable under this subcontract Total current invoice amount and Cumulative billings by TTO to date This is exactly what was provided on the invoice Isn't this why we build a negotiated rate schedule - submit and get approved, and the true up at year end with an ICE review /submit?
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Pricing CPFF Subcontract
kostdiek posted a topic in Contract Pricing Including CAS & Allowable Costs
We are a subcontractor. The ultimate Government client has "tripwire" rates, where if a contractor rate in a certain category is over a certain rate, it requires SES-level approval for funding. An engineer must not cost more than $130/hr for example. The prime contract is CPFF, and our subcontract is CPFF. This makes it strange because they basically take CPFF rates and roll them up like a T&M rate and compare them against this tripwire. Is there any reason we have to bid the same fee percentage on each person? We have one expensive engineer that is close to the tripwire rate. Could we bid her fee percentage lower than the other two engineers on the task? Since it is CPFF, not cost plus percentage of cost, it seems to me that this would be ok. As long as the bid makes it clear which dollar amount is cost and which is fee, it seems like we could bid the "rates" however we want, understanding their cost is their cost and that cannot be changed for the bid. Please let me know if you see any issues with this approach.