Posted April 28Apr 28 comment_92003 Is there a difference between FAR Clause 52.248-1 (Value Engineering Change Proposal) and Production Design Non-Recurring Engineering (NRE)?My Thoughts: While the Value Engineering Change Proposal (VECP) outlined in FAR Clause 52.248-1 addresses certain aspects of Production Design Engineering, the VECP is fundamentally a contractor-initiated proposal aimed at reducing life-cycle costs while maintaining or enhancing performance.In contrast, Production Design NRE focuses on the design, prototyping, testing, and tooling activities necessary to transition a product into full-scale production. NRE is typically funded upfront and does not involve the shared cost savings mechanism inherent in VECPs. VECPs are designed to optimize existing contracts for cost efficiencies, whereas NRE deals with the initial development costs required for production readiness.It is possible that I am placing too much emphasis on the specific terms and language of the clause rather than considering its broader intent and overall purpose.Aside from the cost structure (VECP: Shared Cost vs. PDNRE: Gov Funded Upfront), is there a difference between FAR Clause 52.248-1 (Value Engineering Change Proposal) and Production Design Non-Recurring Engineering (NRE)?
April 28Apr 28 comment_92004 One is a contract clause and the other is an activity.I think you need to work on your question.
April 29Apr 29 comment_92006 @Greenhorn1818 , welcome to WIFCON! I think you're asking for a voice of experience on how VECP vs PDNRE are used in practice. I can give that. Apologies if I missed the mark, simply rephrase and post again, and we'll respond.The key is to understand NRE vs ECP. Both can occur over the life cycle of a system. NRE are (supposed to be) one-time sunk cost work tasks for a system, while ECP are proposals to change an aspect of a system or process. For a modern example of both terms in use together, see N00019-23-RFPREQ-WPM262-0223, a 2023 sole source notice on SAM. Note that NRE there were described as one-time tasks in support of multiple ECPs to various systems. Put another way, ECPs are proposals for NRE (and other tasks/costs) that USG and contractors negotiate over whether to fund and issue contract modifications.PDNRE are one-time tasks specific to the PD phase of system development. However, NRE generally can occur at any time over system life cycle. Even PDNRE can appear post-production of the main system if you are doing spiral or incremental development or adding new capabilities, and those aspects of the system are considered still in production. Tip: Follow the type of funding, and don't get too wrapped up in the "PD" prefix for NRE. I found it an unhelpful limiting prefix, because as the example sole source notice shows, often the govt combines multiple ECPs into one major funding "ask", integrating multiple systems and acquisition timelines for efficiency. In multi-ECP scenarios, it can be unclear what's PD vs. other phases ... much easier to track the type and year of funds that pay for the work (including NRE tasks). If you're the person tasked with figuring out or explaining what color and year of money, find someone experienced on the budget team and/or a good fiscal law attorney.VECP are a particular form of ECP, where the contractor asserts that an ECP will save the govt money over time, and proposes to split the savings. They often involve adding/changing/deleting NRE tasks. For more info, suggest reading FAR part 48 in conjunction with the clause, and agency-specific guidance (for example, this Feb 2025 DoD Guidebook to Value Engineering).Hope that helps!
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April 29Apr 29 comment_92011 14 hours ago, 6K Petunias said:VECP are a particular form of ECP, where the contractor asserts that an ECP will save the govt money over time, and proposes to split the savings. They often involve adding/changing/deleting NRE tasks. For more info, suggest reading FAR part 48 in conjunction with the clause, and agency-specific guidance (for example, this Feb 2025 DoD Guidebook to Value Engineering).Hope that helps!Value Engineering certainly has its place and adds value. But it misses the boat by not including non-monetary benefits like improved customer service, increased public satisfaction, higher quality products, etc. To me the concept should be expanded or supplemented to encourage contractor development and submission of other type performance improvements.
April 30Apr 30 comment_92027 On 4/28/2025 at 5:27 AM, Greenhorn1818 said:Aside from the cost structure (VECP: Shared Cost vs. PDNRE: Gov Funded Upfront), is there a difference between FAR Clause 52.248-1 (Value Engineering Change Proposal) and Production Design Non-Recurring Engineering (NRE)?That question does not make sense.
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