contractor100 Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 8.4 procurement. RFP states 1. It is best value 2. Five eval factors, plus price. a Understanding the requirement b Key personnel c Corporate experience d Quality control plan e Oral presentation 3. It is two phases. In phase 1, they'll evaluate whether proposals are technically acceptable for a-d. They'll kick out the unacceptable proposals. Then they'll invite everyone else to make an oral presentation. Then they'll do a best value analysis on a through e. Contractors may revise their proposals after the oral presentations. Why are they even asking for price in phase 1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevlar51 Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 Are they pairing oral presentations with discussions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
contractor100 Posted March 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 Hard to say. They say the purpose of the oral presentation is "to address unanswered/unclear aspects of the submitted quote" So that sounds just like clarification. Possibly they just mean that bidders can revise their written proposals to be consonant with the clarifications, I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankJon Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 (edited) To answer your heading, no, this scheme is not "common." 3 hours ago, contractor100 said: Why are they even asking for price in phase 1? FAR 8.405-4 requires the Government to seek additional discounts for orders over the SAT. It is a common tactic for the Government to meet this requirement by requesting discounts within the solicitation. I don't know if that's the situation you're encountering based on your post (a "revised proposal" doesn't necessarily mean a revised price), but if it is, I suspect that is why the CO is doing it. Edited March 26, 2018 by FrankJon Added clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apsofacto Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 Price has to be considered [ 8.405-2(d) ], so that may be why they are asking for prices for phase 1. I am assuming this is a service given the context. I have no idea if this is common. Been out of the game too long . . . (steely gaze into the distance) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mansfield Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 2 hours ago, contractor100 said: Why are they even asking for price in phase 1? Who knows? They are not required to, if that's what you want to know. Why not suggest it to the CO? It would save a lot of time and effort for offerors that aren't qualified. Keep in mind, though, that such a suggestion may result in a process that is below the minimum bureaucratic threshold of the agency. When you go below that, it may cause the policy folks to say it's against policy and the legal folks to say it's illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
contractor100 Posted March 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 I am doing that right now, thanks for the suggestion! Why ask for something that is a. not binding and b. you are not going to evaluate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Vern Edwards Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 Oh, come on! 21 hours ago, contractor100 said: Why are they even asking for price in phase 1? So they won't have to wait for them later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
contractor100 Posted March 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 But contractors can change their prices!! So, what is the value of getting the price quotes now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Vern Edwards Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 49 minutes ago, contractor100 said: But contractors can change their prices! So, what is the value of getting the price quotes now? If they change their prices, the CO can evaluate the delta. That's better than waiting for new quotes from scratch. If you think the government is being a pain, don't quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
contractor100 Posted March 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 Where did I say the government was being a pain? I am trying to figure out how to respond to the government's request. As I can also change my technical offering, what does it mean to evaluate the delta. Since the final price will be for a different service offering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Vern Edwards Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 2 hours ago, contractor100 said: I am trying to figure out how to respond to the government's request. Sounds like a "no bid" decision is in order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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